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SILENT GIANT
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Posted - 2014.09.19 15:02:00 -
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Based on isk cost alone v vs av is a tad unbalanced I'll admit. I shouldn't be able to solo vehicles as easy as i do. A free starter fit shouldn't be able to solo a .5mil isk fit. I noticed It takes around 4 good shots for standard tanks might have to reload and go for one or two more it they have hardeners or the shield boosters. So I just opened up first tier to get regular swarm and now I can do it in one clip.
Yea there are good pilots who play smart and get the heck out there and allow my team time to clear obj. The threat has been removed, They deserve to fight another day. Fingers crossed another blue doesn't get smart and pull a starter swarm too, cause any tank or ads has no/very little chance of survival.
If Rattati responds saying av should in fact be able to solo vehicles then things are fine or a little OP as is. As a part time AV guy I enjoy my easy kills, nerfing av whould take points away from me. I'm just voicing my experience with this issue because if swarms get a buff I feel this is going the opposite of balancing and foresee a future of really irritated Vehicle vets as well as noobs who are trying to learn to be good pilots not having a fair shot because They cant afford to practice, with vehicle prices so much different than tjhe cost of a decent AV fit.
Whatever the outcome though I can live with it. If it gets buffed I will av all the time and top the leaderboard w a poor kd but tons of WP. Or if it gets hit with the nerf bat I will still have fun with the additional challenge it brings as well as having to rely on OP teamwork to take down a pilot.
Just like taking over an obj. You have to be methodical, I like to require analysis of situation. Take down threats, move in take down uplinks respawners, and then go for hack. If it was a single step process it takes away from the challenge that only this game brings us. Anyone wanting to solo anything needs to go back to playing COD.
All this is with standard swarm, I'd hate to see how easy it is if I spent SP on proto swarms |
SILENT GIANT
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Posted - 2014.09.19 17:16:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:SILENT GIANT wrote:wall of text Here's the rub. AV ISN'T in line for significant buffing. Nor should it be. The only buffs are making swarms able to outrun a dropship (by 10 meters per second) while nerfing the 90-degree cornering. This is not a bad tradeoff. The other is accelerating the laughworthy plasma cannon projectile so it can actually apply its power and not simply be a troll weapon/AoE shotgun. But there are no damage buffs in line for AV. The two buffs are solely to allow our under performing AV (swarms and plasma cannon) to be able to land hits in decent fashion. There should be little to no change in time to kill. ADS will still take 4 pro swarm shots to kill. Plasma cannons wont be utterly dependent upon the "surprise buttsex!" Maneuver. Thats it. No forge buffs. No increases to heavy damage mods. No increase of av base damage.
It wasn't that long was it?  Anyhow its usually the speed of the swarm that gives the pilot their chance to get out of my way. If they're cocky enough to stick around are the moments I have a big smile cause "bye bye tank/ads". Buffs are buffs whether its speed or damage and I do it with non proto. Make dedicated AV fits cost a little more (please don't do), lower cost of V (not really sure if thats a solution, some vets have huge pools of isk or DS bpo's). You know, I honestly haven't heard or came up with a viable solution to this prob. Hopefully CCP or CPM has a way of filtering all suggestions to determine the people who just want thier playstyle buffed or true game balancing. I'm down for the game balancing hence all my suggestions would be penalizing myself. I feel I do too good as a newb to be taking down as many vehicles as I do. I do feel bad cause I know if I lost that much isk per match I'd be more bitter about that than bothered that a V user is doing their job and doing it well.
Also V isn't that over powered in numbers cause it means reduced numbers going for ob (unless they get out and take ob), So if other team wants to tank and ads spam, my team still has a chance of sneaking a scout in for hacks and still pulling off a win even though bberries cry about tanks cause they cant think to not run in front of cannon or hide from DS fire.
Most everything has some form of counter, OP or not, smart players can pull off a win against crazy odds by properly using the tools and teamwork given to them. I'm not trying to say don't fix broken unbalanced items like plasma cannon, just if efforts gonna be focused I'd like to see everyones main complaints recieve the proper attention instead of trying to get personal playstyles buffed. |
SILENT GIANT
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Posted - 2014.09.20 07:00:00 -
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I just want to correct myself. I payed more close attention to using the swarm tonight. Those gunnlogi's are pretty stout, even better with a decent pilot. I had to toss a nanohive down to resupply because I couldn't quite do it solo. (speed, cover, etc,) But I was dedicated and kept it from doing damage and pushing obj. Job Done reguardless of kill IMO. Standard tanks are the 4 shot kills along w standard DS. So, gunnlogi's could be considered a two man job to take care of prob quick.
Let me ask because I'm considering dumping more SP into my commando and swarms. How effective are the proto swarms, w/ 1 1 complex damage mod towards higher level gunnlogi's with all the bells and whistles? Are they as easily taken down as Madrugars and Sicas with proto AV at the current moment? Or even 2 mods?
Either way, the only real prob left is the large isk difference. Its a good battle on the field, just my wallet doesn't hurt as bad at the end of match. I hear payouts are bigger in PC but in normal game you go negative just losing one vehicle. Thats the main reason I don't even try to play with vehicles much. I dont feel the reward is there for me right now to lose that kind of isk even practicing. Hats off to all you that have taken the time to skill into and pay for your vehicles. You shouldn't be solo'd. There's far more at risk for you than me. |
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